The Milwaukees and Jersey Beat have enjoyed a long, fruitful
relationship that stretches back to the band’s first
appearance at The Saint in the early ‘00’s,
including a wild night at one of the final W.E. Fests and
a memorable sold-out showcase at Maxwell’s that featured
a rare live appearance by The Wrens.
Last year, Jersey Beat put together a show featuring the
Milwaukees and a few other local favorites at the new Maxwell's
Tavern, their first show there since former owner Todd Abramson
moved on. They'll be back on Saturday, May 21 for a very
special performance in tribute to their late bassist Dave
"Posty" Post. "A Show For Posty" will
be remember Posty with a double set of songs off of Missile
Command, The Bland Comfort of Life with Lloyd Justin,
and This Is A Stickup. Former drummers Scott Pohlman
and Brian Stoor will join Dylan and Jeff for this epic night
of rock and roll. "We will tell stories, play music,
share some sadness, and celebrate the music we made together,"
says the band. "We hope you will join us for this special
night."
To help celebrate Posty's life and refresh everyone's memory
about the Milwaukees, we are reposting this 2013 interview
with the band:
We chatted with singer/guitarist Dylan Clark and
guitarist Jeff Nordstedt and asked them what the Milwaukees
have been up to.
Jeff: We’re kinda cleaning out the closet
with this show, releasing an album of old stuff that never
made it onto any of the other albums. Things with the band
slowed down when we all started having kids, but in the
last nine months or so, we’ve really started waking
up in terms of songwriting, and we’re really excited
again about new stuff. But the thing is, you need to let
people know you’re still a band, so it’s not
a shock if we suddenly come out with new material. So we
thought we’d put out all these old songs we had, just
so people had something new to listen to while we finish
up these new songs and find the time and money to go into
a studio and record them.
Dylan: That’s pretty much it. I think there might
have been a point where we didn’t honestly know if
we’d ever make another record, but the good thing
is that we as a band are all still on the same page and
we all still care about playing. A lot of bands break up
because they don’t get where they want to… achieve
some sort of fame or something. But we were never on that
track, so we never really gave a shit. The egos of our band
were such that we could remain a band this whole time and
get to work on new material and perhaps record a new album
soon, and in the meantime flush out the leftovers from our
two American Anthem albums.
Q: Our mutual friend Dave Urbano unabashedly uses
“dad rock” to describe his band Eastern Anchors,
but that term has a lot of negative connotations for some
people. How do you feel about it?
Dylan: I sort of reject that label only because, I don’t
know, Kurt Cobain had a kid and killed himself. Just speaking
for myself, we happen to be guys who have kids, but we could
be guys our age who didn’t have kids and still played.
I don’t think anybody in our band thinks of ourselves
when we’re playing as dads in a band. We’re
not pretending that we don’t have children and we’re
not pretending that we’re not pushing 40, we’re
not pretending that we’re twentysomethings. But at
the same I don’t think any of us focus on the fact
that we’re dads or on our ages when it comes to our
music. Our music has always been our music, and that’s
something that’s beyond having a wife and family or
anything else.
Jeff: It’s funny because I was probably the worst
back in the day at making fun of dudes who showed up at
band practice with a car seat in the back of the car. We
all did it a little bit but I probably did it the most.
And then there was this shift, I had to come to grips with
the question of whether rock was just a persona, and something
I had to give up when I had kids, or was music just a part
of me no matter what else was happening in my life? Somebody
for Father’s Day recently sent me a card that said
something like “Dad’s Rock,” and I thought
about it and realized that I’m not a dad who rocks,
I’m just a musician. There’s no way I could
get rid of that part of myself even if I tried. It’s
just who I am. I think that’s where we’re all
at in this band.
Q: For me, the crossover point where you become
a “dad rock” band is when getting out of the
house and away from the wife and kids for a few hours becomes
more important than the music you’re making. At that
point, you might just as well join a bowling league. And
knowing you guys (and Eastern Anchors, for that matter,)
I don’t think either one of you feels that way.
Dylan: Exactly. If I felt like the newest song I was writing
wasn’t any good, or had something missing and I couldn’t
put my finger on it, I’d be fine with saying, okay,
that was a good run, let’s do something else now.
But I think all of us are truly excited about the new stuff
we have and that’s where it’s at for us. Sure
it’s fun to play a Who cover every once in a while,
but it’s really about asking if your new stuff is
as good as or better than anything you’ve already
done? Does it feel like people who liked us in the past
will look at this new record and really like it, and think,
goddamn, I’m glad this band is still together and
making music. Where have they been for the last few years?
I love this record. That’s what I get off on. It’s
really all about the experience of writing new stuff and
then watching it come to life, and then seeing how people
dig it.
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Jeff: I don’t really know what the definition of “dad
rock” is, but I think your analogy is a good one.
Once it becomes more about getting out of the house than
about the music, you might as well just go bowling. There’s
still an ambition in what we’re doing. It’s
not a careerist ambition, it’s an ambition to keep
getting better and making great music. I don’t know
if the word “art” has ever been applied to what
we do, but to us it is. It might not be a higher art, but
rock and roll is definitely our art form and it what keeps
us going. Good music is something you know when you hear
it, and it’s something that we respect and care about
it, and want to keep doing. We appreciate that people respect
what we’ve done before and all the work that went
into it, and I don’t think we’d ever sully that
respect but putting out a record or playing a show that
wasn’t everything it could be.
Q: I’m going to throw two names out there
from New Jersey, the Wrens and the Feelies. You’re
approaching that tradition in the fact that you’ve
been doing this so long and so consistently. Both of this
bands historically have a very skewed idea of time; they
do things when they’re ready to do them.
Dylan: We’ve never had a hiatus that was more than,
maybe, a year or a year and a half, and those bands have
had very long stretches between records and shows, but I
see what you’re saying. We want to keep putting on
great shows, and we want people to go home and say, you
know I just saw this band I never heard of before but goddamn
it, they’ve got their shit together. I remember seeing
the Wrens years ago and feeling like that. Or a band like
the Feelies, that’s just been around forever and their
track record speaks for itself. They didn’t go out
and do Skynyrd covers and were only it in for the pussy.
They did it because it was important to them, and that’s
us.
Jeff: I’ve always had this kind of chip on my shoulder,
coming out of New Brunswick when we did… We’ve
always sounded kind of mainstream-ish compared to a lot
of the bands around us, and I think sometimes people misunderstand
what we’re doing. They think we’re trying to
be popular, and both the Feelies and the Wrens are bands
that never did anything they didn’t want to do. Their
only goal was satisfying themselves with the music they
made. And as borderline commercial as we might sound, I
know for a fact that our music is just what comes naturally
to us. We’ve never thought, well, if we just do this,
it’ll be a real radio hit. Sometimes we sound more
like we’re trying to be a radio band than a band like
the Wrens, but I promise you we’re not trying. And
I hope that our longevity speaks to that. That bands that
do try to write hits, if they don’t “make it”
in two or three years, they can’t survive it. But
since we never really cared about that, at the beginning
of every day we ask, “do you still want to make music
with these guys?” And the answer is always, “shit
yeah.” We measure success by whether we can write
a good song today, or whether we can play a great show and
excite a crowd. As long as we’re doing that, we’re
successful.
Dylan: It’s really been to the detriment of us making
any dough over the years, but any time a record label or
a manager or whoever has come along wanted us to change
something, we were immediately like, “fuck that, we’re
not doing it.” That’s what our attitude has
always been, and you know what? It’s never made us
any money, but we’re still getting together once or
twice a week and making music together after all these years,
and that’s more important than to me than having to
suck some guy’s dick just to get your song on the
radio. I just don’t care enough. Or rather, I care
too much about the music to put up with any of that other
stuff. And I don’t know if that’s just a cop
out on my part, but really, any opportunity I’ve ever
had , I’ve managed to sabotage it. That’s just
what I do.
Q: Let’s talk about the fact that we’re
doing a show at the new Maxwell’s Tavern together.
There’s been a certain amount of pushback from some
old-timers who don’t like the new management using
the name Maxwell’s. My take on it has always been
this: Todd and Dave chose to sell the place. They didn’t
get kicked out, they decided that they didn’t want
to run a business in Hoboken anymore. So as far as I’m
concerned, they don’t get to have a say about what
goes on there. I can’t for the life of me see how
it’s in anybody’s best interest for the new
owners to fail, when the alternative is to have a viable
venue for live original music in Hoboken. So let’s
air this out. How do you feel about it?
Jeff: I read one interview someplace (in the Hoboken
Reporter – ed.) where the new owners were complaining
about some of the criticism he’d been getting from
the old fans and he sounded off about the old place with
what was some pretty nasty stuff. They were saying that
the place was a dive and your feet would stick to the floor…
And it bummed me out that they would say something like
that and still have the world “Legend” in their
new logo using the same name. You can’t call the place
a legend in your signage and then talk about how the place
was a dive. Clearly there was always going to be some resentment
from the old crowd but the best way to get through would
have been to just keep your head down and not put your foot
in your mouth. So at first we said as a band that we weren’t
going to deal with that. What Maxwell’s was meant
too much to us for that to happen. But then as time went
on and I saw the place start to pick up with original music
again, I started sniffing around and I ended up talking
to Stephen Bailey about it. And I got more comfortable with
it when he told me told that the new owners brought in real,
legit live music people with long track records in Hoboken,
who care about music and care about doing it right. And
they’ve turned the music side of it over to them.
They’re not trying to be the old Maxwell’s,
because that would be impossible, but they’re also
not going to exploit bands. They’re going to pay them
fairly and treat them well and put in a really good sound
system. So to me that just seemed like a clean slate. They’re
treating bands well, they’re not saying those bad
things anymore. Let’s give it a shot and judge it
as a new place with a familiar address and see what happens.
So that was the decision I came to, and that was the advice
I gave to the rest of the band.
The Milwaukees, will perform at Maxwell’s
Tavern (1039 Washington St. Hoboken) on Saturday, May 21.
Doors are at 8 pm and admission is $10.
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